The Emotional Alchemy Podcast

32. EMOTIONAL ALCHEMY: De-shaming Narcissistic and Empathetic Traits with Somatic Subconscious Healer Jessica Benstock

Kat Lee Episode 32

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One of my favourite humans to follow on Insta is my dear friend Jessica Benstock. Not just because she is my buddy, but because she has a way of looking at assumed notions and flipping them  upside down to look at them from multiple perspectives.

Currently, the conversation about narcissistic and empathetic personality traits is “narcissists bad” and “empaths good”.  So Jess and I decided to look at this dynamic from a different perspective. 

In reality, both narcissistic and empathic traits create a whole lot of suffering for all parties involved. When we notice these shadowy aspects that we see either in ourselves or our partners, we have a tendency to disown those parts of ourselves or judge those parts of our partners as being “bad”. This creates a fractured relationship with a very real aspect of the human experience.


This conversation is going to be helpful for anyone who has been with or been the partner in a relationship who has struggled with: 

  • boundaries 
  • control 
  • power dynamics
  • self-worth

Which is really just another way of saying that if you are a human interacting with other humans, you’re going to want to tune into this episode. 

What You'll Learn in this Episode: 

  • Understand the spectrum of narcissistic and empathic qualities as survival mechanisms
  • Discuss how the conversation around narcissistic and empathic traits needs to change to be empowering for both to heal 
  • Explore how narcissistic and empathetic qualities are manifestations of immature masculine/feminine energies 
  • Dive into how Ego Death is an avenue to dissolve narcissistic and empathic traits without shame


Jessica Benstock  helps scaling female CEOs end their anxiety, depression, & overwhelm + create thriving mental, emotional & sexual lives through the use of subconscious therapies, mindfulness practices, meditation, trauma informed leadership techniques, and energetic cultivation.

Kat HoSoo Lee is an Emotional Alchemy Coach, Spiritual Business Mentor and host of The Emotional Alchemy Podcast.

She loves playing in the space where science and spirituality converge because this is where we get to experience emotional alchemy. In her work, she educates space-holders about somatic physiology and environmental biology so they can deepen their practices of listening and presence which ultimately helps them expand their capacity to hold space for others.

As a Spiritual Business Mentor, she guides soulful entrepreneurs to approach their business as a spiritual practice. The work bridges the emotional landscape with practical tools which allow them to cultivate businesses that are rooted in conscious values, relational marketing and purposeful service.